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joemoe · Jan 27, 2010, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer

Unless you're a right fool, you must realize your suggestions aren't going to carry any weight for GW1.

I figure you read the rules, we are suppose to at least pretend on this forum that our suggestions make any difference.

The whole WoW vs GW thing is not part of this thread, and thus offtopic. If you want to discuss stuff like that, ask the mods to unlock my other thread. This thread is about ideas to encourage people to play the game together.

HawkofStorms · Jan 27, 2010, 12:29 AM // 00:29

joemoe, as I already pointed out, there would be no motivation for veteran players to group with new players, even with your suggestion. Thus, it wouldn't do anything.

It seems this suggestion is based on bitterness and missing the "good ole' days" rather then logical reasoning.

Edit: Though I can respect your views. At least you aren't like Regulus constantly complaining about RA being imbalanced. Though your posts are just as singleminded as his.

Captain Bulldozer · Jan 27, 2010, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by joemoe

I figure you read the rules, we are suppose to at least pretend on this forum that our suggestions make any difference.

The whole WoW vs GW thing is not part of this thread, and thus offtopic. If you want to discuss stuff like that, ask the mods to unlock my other thread. This thread is about ideas to encourage people to play the game together.

Its a scientifically observed fact that playing video games can actually decrease the amount of blood flow to the brain. Since you seem to have suffered from this more than usual, maybe it would help to cover the points as using as few big words as possible:

You've made a suggestion about parties that likely wouldn't change much, would cause the live team time and energy to implement, and would to GW one step closer to WoW. In fact, a quick survey of your previous posts shows that in almost all your posts you are in favor of making GW more like WoW, and this thread is no exception.

At this point, changes to GW are few and far between, so EVEN IF people argeed with you (and they don't seem to) you're doing nothing more than trolling. Stop it.

To any Mods viewing: Its probably a good idea to close this thread too for the same reasons the OPs other thread was closed.

joemoe · Jan 27, 2010, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

joemoe, as I already pointed out, there would be no motivation for veteran players to group with new players, even with your suggestion. Thus, it wouldn't do anything.

It seems this suggestion is based on bitterness and missing the "good ole' days" rather then logical reasoning.

There really isn't any logical reason to group with other people you don't know. You are better off just filling up with heros and henchmen and essentially play a single player game. And without the interaction and cause/effect of a single player game, because where you are still just a peon in a party of AI. I mean, in some cases I don't even have to fight, I just walk around and let the H/H do all my work for me. Seriously. They might as well just allow 8 heros in a party and you just send off to battle and get back the loot 10 minutes later. I played a game like that, it called "ProgressQuest".

joemoe · Jan 27, 2010, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer

Its a scientifically observed fact that playing video games can actually decrease the amount of blood flow to the brain. Since you seem to have suffered from this more than usual, maybe it would help to cover the points as using as few big words as possible:

Enough with the petty insults.

Zead · Jan 27, 2010, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Having an 8 human team is good already, if you know who to team with. Henchmen exist because sometimes there arent enough human players.
its not always a matter of choice if your using humans or Ai's; i wouldnt want to see ppl waiting hours to make a human party just because there's more xp to it.

But anyway, i never say no to free bonuses, so i've no objection =D

Deviant Angel · Jan 27, 2010, 01:15 AM // 01:15

So the title would be something like Legendary Masochist?

Personally, I see pugging as cruel and unusual punishment most of the time. I don't see what is so fun about failing simple missions because I rolled the dice and ended up with people that have no idea how to play the game or use the skillbar they found on PvX.

I find that I'm less frustrated when I play alone or with a couple of friends. You want to punish me for that? If that has to be my reward, being part of a pug that managed to beat the mission should be a good enough reward for you.

Most people do not need the experience (survivors do, but they tend to avoid pugs for obvious reasons) and you can get plenty of EotN rep during the double weekends if you choose to take advantage of it. Don't even get me started on the extra loot for parties of 8...

You're going to need way better incentives to make me choose random people over my friends and heroes.

joemoe · Jan 27, 2010, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Deviant Angel

So the title would be something like Legendary Masochist?

Personally, I see pugging as cruel and unusual punishment most of the time. I don't see what is so fun about failing simple missions because I rolled the dice and ended up with people that have no idea how to play the game or use the skillbar they found on PvX.

I find that I'm less frustrated when I play alone or with a couple of friends. You want to punish me for that? If that has to be my reward, being part of a pug that managed to beat the mission should be a good enough reward for you.

Most people do not need the experience (survivors do, but they tend to avoid pugs for obvious reasons) and you can get plenty of EotN rep during the double weekends if you choose to take advantage of it. Don't even get me started on the extra loot for parties of 8...

You're going to need way better incentives to make me choose random people over my friends and heroes.

Obviously the game wouldn't know who is your friend or not. This is more to rewards those who play with humans (if that be a PuG, or your friends). I'm not penalizing people who want the AI to play the game for them, I just want a modest reward for those who actually play with other people, instead of it just being a novelty.

If you have better suggestion for a reward, feel free to share it.

MagmaRed · Jan 27, 2010, 03:32 AM // 03:32

XP is only useful until you get to level 20, or until you have purchased all the skills you want/need. Most people wish there was another use for Skill Points as they have accumulated so many, and do not need more skills. So rewarding people with more XP does nothing to help anyone but new players, and they only get a benefit for a short time.

Faction (rep points) is only useful for titles. Although it would shorten the amount of time required to get those titles, it also becomes useless after the titles are maxed out. And although some people would argue they should be made easier to max, Anet seems to find a balance with the amount of time it takes to max those titles. They have adjusted the amount of faction you get from the various ways in the past, and have stopped doing so. I assume they stopped adjusting it because it reached a point they wanted. So making it easier to get faction would simply make them adjust the amount we earn anyway to keep people from maxing titles faster than they want.

And if you want people to play with people, and not AI, then try finding a way to get people to join GUILDS, and play with them. The name of the game is GUILD Wars. I know not everyone has or wants a guild, but guild/alliance is the best way to find people that know what to do. PUGs is a roll of the dice, and I really don't want to see PUGs become dominant, I'd rather see guilds make a strong statement for efficency.

End · Jan 27, 2010, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by joemoe

This is considering 8 man groups, 6 and 4 man will have to be balanced differently. The point is to provide incentive to actual play with real human beings:

Horrible idea...so what if I am doing something unpopular? I don't know a ton of people who do lets say The Wilds...or maybe at an off hour...should I be punished for playing at a time when no one else is on? or for doing something no one else does?

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Group has 1 human player: No bonus
Group has 2 human players: No bonus
3: 20% XP bonus
4: 40% XP bonus, EoTN 10% more faction
5: 60% XP bonus, EoTN 20% more faction
6: 80% XP bonus, EoTN 30% more faction
7: 100% XP bonus, EoTN 40% more faction
8: 100% XP bonus, EoTN 50% more faction, Better loot drops

Despite it being a bad idea...this is worse...
The only one worth wiping my ass with is the better loot from an 8 person party...
So...in otherwords to benefit...I need to have a FULL party...even if I was doing it with my guild...odds are that only 5-7 people will want to do it...it's been ages since I've been in a group with 0 heros...its just impractical with how few people play these days...

As for 1-7 person parties...why would my ele with 30+million xp and maxed eotn titles care about the xp and rep points? They're useless...and for someone who does need them it's just unfair to those who can't play with others...

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 27, 2010, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by joemoe

rewards those who play with humans

Justify your view.

joemoe · Jan 27, 2010, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by End

Horrible idea...so what if I am doing something unpopular? I don't know a ton of people who do lets say The Wilds...or maybe at an off hour...should I be punished for playing at a time when no one else is on? or for doing something no one else does?

Despite it being a bad idea...this is worse...
The only one worth wiping my ass with is the better loot from an 8 person party...
So...in otherwords to benefit...I need to have a FULL party...even if I was doing it with my guild...odds are that only 5-7 people will want to do it...it's been ages since I've been in a group with 0 heros...its just impractical with how few people play these days...

As for 1-7 person parties...why would my ele with 30+million xp and maxed eotn titles care about the xp and rep points? They're useless...and for someone who does need them it's just unfair to those who can't play with others...

Well congratulations for beating the game then. If you have max'ed titles, crapton of XP, etc. etc. I am not sure exactly what kind of carrot on a stick would appeal to you? Maybe you get a t-shirt or something.

joemoe · Jan 27, 2010, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

XP is only useful until you get to level 20, or until you have purchased all the skills you want/need. Most people wish there was another use for Skill Points as they have accumulated so many, and do not need more skills. So rewarding people with more XP does nothing to help anyone but new players, and they only get a benefit for a short time.

Faction (rep points) is only useful for titles. Although it would shorten the amount of time required to get those titles, it also becomes useless after the titles are maxed out. And although some people would argue they should be made easier to max, Anet seems to find a balance with the amount of time it takes to max those titles. They have adjusted the amount of faction you get from the various ways in the past, and have stopped doing so. I assume they stopped adjusting it because it reached a point they wanted. So making it easier to get faction would simply make them adjust the amount we earn anyway to keep people from maxing titles faster than they want.

Well Guild Wars is not a MMO where the rewards keep pouring in. Once you are level 20 and got a decent array of skills, there is really not much left you can do to be epic l33t. That's a different issue, if it's an issue at all.

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

And if you want people to play with people, and not AI, then try finding a way to get people to join GUILDS, and play with them. The name of the game is GUILD Wars. I know not everyone has or wants a guild, but guild/alliance is the best way to find people that know what to do. PUGs is a roll of the dice, and I really don't want to see PUGs become dominant, I'd rather see guilds make a strong statement for efficency.

I think a lot of you are missing the point. Perhaps I shouldn't have said "PuG bonus" but rather "playing with humans bonus". The mechanics I suggest doesn't care if it's a PuG or your guildies. In fact, I agree playing with guild members is can be more interesting and more effective, and will be rewarded.

End · Jan 27, 2010, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by joemoe

Well congratulations for beating the game then. If you have max'ed titles, crapton of XP, etc. etc. I am not sure exactly what kind of carrot on a stick would appeal to you? Maybe you get a t-shirt or something.

How about....it's not my fault you haven't? why should you get something useful when I don't just because I played longer...I want there not to be any bonuses for anything...there...

btw keep it to one post at a time...ty

joemoe · Jan 27, 2010, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by End

How about....it's not my fault you haven't? why should you get something useful when I don't just because I played longer...I want there not to be any bonuses for anything...there...

btw keep it to one post at a time...ty

That's just how GW is man. It was not designed to reward power gamers. There really isn't any reason to reward power gamers, nobody is paying any monthly fees so the man who plays 1 hour a month is as valuable to ANet the the person who is playing 40 hours a week. Actually no.. the casual gamer is more valuable because he uses less bandwidth and server time.

Arduin · Jan 27, 2010, 05:46 AM // 05:46

If the only reward for playing with people is more xp or loot, people would only play together for farming, not for genuinely playing missions or quests.

I don't think GW needs more of that at the moment. I'm happy with my guild/alliance, with some heroes added.

End · Jan 27, 2010, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by joemoe

It was not designed to reward power gamers. There really isn't any reason to reward power gamers

Now If only I played guild wars as much as you seem to think....I really only log on for about an hour a day these days...I have just played for a long time...so shut up if you don't know what you are talking about...ty

To deal with the rest of it...who do you think is more likely to spend extra money on the costumes and such? the people who will see it for an hour a day? or the people who will see it 5+ hours a day...

Power gamers are more valuable in terms of what they can earn...

They will need their bandwidth whether people play for 1 hour or 5 because they will need to cover those peak times when everyone is spending their one hour....so people who play less earn them less money and your bandwidth idea is idiotic at best...

UnChosen · Jan 27, 2010, 09:01 AM // 09:01

/SIGNED

In fact, I think they should prevent people from the same guild and friend list from getting the bonus too. And make the bonus give EXCLUSIVE drops not availible for non pugs and something like 50K difference in reward (exaggerated) and good PvE skills tied to a pugging title and consumables usable only in pugs. Ohh, and armor that can only be purchased with certain rank of pugging titles. See how many "pro" guilds and H/h peeps can resist the temptation with these gigantic carrots dangling.

IMO this is one of the best ideas in a LONG while, too bad its kinda too late to be honest. With SF and 600/Smite possibly being ruined and all of the non farming area on the verge of meeting the same fate as DoA, its kinda sad these kind of stuff that is standard in so many online RPG is not present from the very beginning.

Nevermind.../not signed.

I rather Anet use their resource to implement all these stuff in GW2. GW1 seems to be a lost cause in terms of community quality.

End · Jan 27, 2010, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by UnChosen

/SIGNED

In fact, I think they should prevent people from the same guild and friend list from getting the bonus too. And make the bonus give EXCLUSIVE drops not available(fixed your spelling) for non pugs and something like 50K difference in reward

See I thought you were joking....

Then I saw

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(exaggerated)

and I realized you must be taking to much cough medicine...
I'm sorry that your guild sucks...but that doesn't mean other people should be punished for having friends and decent guilds....

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good PvE skills tied to a pugging title and consumables usable only in pugs.

Or...maybe there are enough OP PvE skills and cons already...

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Ohh, and armor that can only be purchased with certain rank of pugging titles.

So not only do you want to force people to grind to get armor...you want to force them to PAINFUL GRIND with incompetent people (read pugs).

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See how many "pro" guilds and H/h peeps can resist the temptation with these gigantic carrots dangling.

See my above comment about your guild sucking....

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With SF and 600/Smite possibly being ruined and all of the non farming area on the verge of meeting the same fate as DoA, its kinda sad these kind of stuff that is standard in so many online RPG is not present from the very beginning.

Something I almost agree with in your post...

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Nevermind.../not signed.

I rather Anet use their resource to implement all these stuff in GW2. GW1 seems to be a lost cause in terms of community quality.

And here I lost all hope of this being a funny sarcastic joke...

MasterSasori · Jan 27, 2010, 06:49 PM // 18:49

People don't pug because they hate stupid people and its unlikely any kind of reward will steer them back to pugging.

More faction gained will just lead to abuse and isn't PvE skills good enough?

People should pug because they want to pug as illogical as it sounds.

You want pugging again? Get rid of heroes. Course it will more likely cause people quit.